Stop complaining about it!

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Post 1 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Friday, 07-Dec-2012 20:33:09

I am sick and tired of people who constantly piss and mone about how political correctness is taking away their right to say something. Oh poor you, you can no longer be obnoxious! Let me tell you something:
I've always been a huge advocate of freedom of speech. I am even more so sinse I am a podcaster. But what right does anyone have to be a ripe ass hole?
My step-father and I were watching the news and there was something about a suicide. Well my step-father blurts out:
"That's just wrong!" I asked:
"Why do you think it's wrong?" He said:
"Uh...ur...it just is! We have rights in this country and I'll say what I want!" Wow you convinced me of your point and I really respect you. Ha! This little episode made me think of people who defend there positions the same way. You can't just make a blanket statement and not back it up. You can't just kick and scream like a little baby because you feel that I am robbing of your right to speak your mind. You can as long as you give your words intelligent thought.
Another time I was at the grocery store and some old she-bat was condemning "the gays" quite publicly. I started to, gasp, talk reasonably with her and she informed me that I was acting like "one of them." What in blazes does that mean. Then she went on and on about how society today is to politically correct. You poor thing, you're not aloud to spew hate speech in the middle of the shopright. What the fuck is with people? Has this so called political correctness affected your life even just a little? It boils my fucking blood.

Post 2 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Friday, 07-Dec-2012 20:39:24

I honestly think that has more to do with peoples' inability to explain their stance, rather than their problem with the politically correct speech. As for me, you won't hear me complaining that society is too politically correct, because I really don't care. I'll speak properly in formal settings, but then again, I would do that anyway. Otherwise, the growing emphasis on political correctness is really just a trend. one that I personally choose not to follow. No need to complain about it.

Post 3 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Friday, 07-Dec-2012 22:30:47

So is this trend in people's heads? Is it simply a way for people to have something to rale against?

Post 4 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 07-Dec-2012 22:56:15

Jessica said it best. besides, why care? I mean, isn't complaining in this way just as idiotic, especially for one who's supposedly tired of complaining? I sure think so.
yes, I, too, at times, become frustrated knowing people aren't able to back up points they make. however, that's a fact of life, just like political correctness crap.

Post 5 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Friday, 07-Dec-2012 23:09:03

I just think that older generations use this as a way to talk down to us. It sure seems like that to me at least. And no, I don't think my complaining about the complaining is idiotic. I have valid points. They do not.

Post 6 by bea (I just keep on posting!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 8:12:33

I'm older myself and hear the older folks say stuff in stores they should keep to themselves. If i talk to folks about my generation and how values have changed, I talk about it in private. Or if my younger nephews ask how it was in the 60s I tell them. For instance, time out was never part of my childhood; a good smack was, even in public. I'm on here because I always like to hear the younger folks views.

Post 7 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 9:59:27

kevin, no, I don't think it's all in people's head, but unlike the people you say you talk to that can't back up what they say, I'll give you an example:
For quite awhile now, it's been frowned upon to refer to someone as being blind or deaf, just to name a couple. You're supposed to say a person is visually impaired, or hearing impaired. Now, in some work places, you're not even supposed to say that. You are supposed to refer to someone as being "differently abled". I find that simply laughable. why can't we just come out and say it? We're blind. it's the truth. why must it be avoided?
Do I think it's okay to go to work or school and talked about the chick with the tight pussy and huge tits that you fucked so hard last night? No. But that has more to do with the fact that you're in a formal setting than it does needing to be politically correct. Huge tits and tight pussies are not appropriate formal conversation, but what's wrong with saying someone is blind? If you offend someone with that word, the offended might want to consider seeking some counseling, or at least a good honest talk with someone they trust. Just my honest opinion.

Post 8 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 10:56:15

Also, saying that your point is valid and that their's isn't, sounds awfully uncompromising. I understand saying that you can back up your points and they haven't shown that they're willing to back up theirs. I just don't like someone automatically assuming that their point is the only valid point. It's as though you're dismissing them because you've judged that your point is the only one that really matters anyway.

Post 9 by forereel (Just posting.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 11:02:10

Yes, a trend like most things. Hurting feelings because of what you say is depended on the person you say it to.
Differently able?
I'd have to ask how so? hahaha

Post 10 by Smiling Sunshine (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 11:27:50

Sing it, post 7. lol

Post 11 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 11:27:52

Jess beat me to what I was going to say. Her examples are what I think of as how politically correct speech is taking over society. You can't just call something for what it is anymore for fear of offending someone. When I say someone is black, that is not meant to be racially demeaning at all. But in any formal conversations, it's now supposed to be African-American. The principle of my high school insisted that I be called visually challenged so no one would get offended by the word blind. I was offended by his not using it. Call something for what it is instead of finding all these fancy terms to get around it.

Post 12 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 11:29:46

But Jess, does it really offend you that people are saying differently abled? Sure, I chuckle as I write this but is it really that bad? Does it shake the bedrock of what you feel to be "right" in the world?

Post 13 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 12:53:35

We would like to pre-board those in need of special assistance ... Cripples! Cripples! There is no shame attached to the word cripple that I can find in any dictionary!

Post 14 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 13:01:33

Whoops, forgot to mention that was a George Carlin quote.

Post 15 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 13:16:33

I'm surprised, first of all, that PC still exists, and second that people still are on about it. Thought the whole thing fell and went splat in the Nineties some time, back when usually conservatives bandied about ideas like short people were to be referred to as vertically challenged. OK, how is one's verticalness being put to a challenge, exactly? Differently abled, though? Ugh, my face is turning sickly green here. Handicapable! Or, hard of seeing.
And really, in the end, it all uses the fear of offending as the guilt tripper, the thing to whip you into shape and make you behave, as if offending somebody is the absolute worst thing you can ever do to any person at any time. If we're to believe that, when fighting wars as we still tend to do since we haven't gotten over that desire yet, we should consider stopping the use of all weapons that kill and just offend our enemies to death if the feeling is so bad.

Post 16 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 13:19:54

Another thought. Sometimes, those who complain about political correctness or what they see as such are people who are feeling the bite and sting of loss of privilege. Here these people grow up, usually white, Christian, straight people, probably more males than females, thinking they were rulers of the world just by virtue of being born and turning out as they did, and now they have to actually treat other people who are not like them and not part of their tribe as equals and not as peasants, underlings, or subhuman freaks like the good lord intended, right? LOL!

Post 17 by forereel (Just posting.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 14:30:55

Seems to add to many words to a conversation and to much thought.
I mean why figure out how to correctly say someones blind when you can just say so?

Post 18 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 14:43:22

I agree but what if something truly offended someone? Would you go out of your way to say what you wanted to say even if you knew it offended them? Why ask for trouble?

Post 19 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 14:58:44

The problem is, in a public setting, there's always people hanging around and looking for something to be offended by. I won't go out of my way to offend, but I don't think I should have to personally survey everyone in the room to find out what their sensativities are before I speak, either.

Post 20 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 16:13:49

just like there's people out there who want to offend people. Why bother wasting time trying to be "politically correct", whatever that is. Everyone has different opinions. Everyone is at different emotional levels. What may offend one person may not offend another. There's no reason why you should try to please everybody. That's trying to do the impossible.
As far as being called bl versus visually impaired, why should you get upset if someone calls you visually impaired, rather than just pull them aside and explain to them why it is better, in your opinion, to be called x or y. Being angry and throwing a fit only gives people more reason to stereotype.

Post 21 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 16:50:14

while I wouldn't go out of my way to offend people, I'm certainly not gonna go without saying something just cause someone might be offended. I certainly know, and carry out, as others have said, not speaking a certain way cause I'm in a particular setting, but that's different.

Post 22 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 16:53:07

Which is worse, the fear of offending others hanging over your heads, just dangling there ready to drop like a bomb at any moment, or the feeling of being offended. Are we being manipulated?

Post 23 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 17:17:33

I would argue that they're equally bad. I agree about speaking your mind but I also feel you should think before you speak. Why mindlissly flap your gums?

Post 24 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 18:48:05

I think political correctness is a flawed, idealistic piece of over pampering vitriolic ideology, because it encourages people to become offended. These days, in the pc mind set, nearly anything can be offensive to some group of people in some way, shape or form. while I believe there are real reasons to be offended, I don't think being politically correct encourages the right kind of mindset in and of itself. It just creates more problems and makes everything on the hole less officiant. In the name of better communication, you strip effective communication out of the equation, more times than not. You have to make a point padded in so many layers of pc, that the over arching message is often lost or mistranslated. and at the end of the day, the ideology makes it easy for people to get offended if they don't like your message, anyway. So, what good has political correctness done, that common sense couldn't have?
for the most part, I think its just fed peoples egos by giving them new soapboxes to grandstand on, so they can feel better about themselves.

Post 25 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 19:36:15

My approach to such bloated language such as "differently abled" or whatever is to just think, "you're trying too hard, you're overcorrecting, I wish you'd chill." Here's the thing. In all honesty, I do not know any really truly living people who speak in this PC manner as a matter of daily speech. I also can't say I know anyone who is bothered much by it, save for some rabidly conservative folks who think they ought to be able to say anything they wish and everybody has to shut up and take it.
As for me and offence, I guess I ask about its real life impact and importance because it is hard for me to get offended. I believe myself to have a decently thick hide on me. It's not impossibly thick but I think it's a bit thicker than most. So, if I get offended, I have to own that feeling and not just expect everyone to scrape and bow for my sake, so I'd better just cowboy up and get over myself, right?

Post 26 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 19:51:08

exactly my point, godzilla.

Post 27 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 20:49:46

Cowboy up? Never heard it put like that. haha.

Post 28 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 20:52:39

I'm sure everyone thinks before they speak, whether it's a split second or a few seconds. You naturally do such, but putting the extra effort into trying to say something nicely without trying to be offensive, in essence, seems like you're trying to be "politically correct", does it not? Just say what you mean and how you feel, and if pemple don't like it tough shit. What's said has been said.

Post 29 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2012 21:47:42

exactly, Ryan, that definitely classifies as being politically correct, in my book. as long as you're being truthful/saying what you feel, that's all that matters. if people get offended, tough titty, said the kitty.

Post 30 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 12:04:42

going back to kevin's earlier question, no. the term "differently abled" doesn't offend me anymore than "blind" does. it's just another term that exists in society. what bothers me is this idea that people must be protected from certain words or certain ways of saying things, especially when the context hasn't changed at all. Again, I won't complain, because so far, I have spoken however I see fit, and it has yet to get me in trouble. It isn't even a matter of trying to, or not to, offend anyone. But if you are going to be offended, I would hope it has to do with context; not the word someone chose to use.

Post 31 by Smiling Sunshine (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 12:17:59

I'm far more worried about the factthat people feel like they need to dance around the word blind than I am when they use terms like visually challenged, etc. I don't care what they call it but when they have to stop in mid sentence to come up with something else other than what it is, it puts far more focus on my blindness than there needs to be. I would imagine the same goes for people with other disabilities.

Post 32 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 14:51:25

Again, I really can't say I've ever run into anyone in person who has used such language. I've seen it in writing. Just the other day I was looking at a description for an app for use with Apple devices and the developers listed one of their features as "improved VoiceOver support for those who are hard of seeing." What? Not offended as such, but mightily odd language. Of course, this is not a new discussion, and I heard from a friend once that really, even if you're told these mealy-mouthed terms are meant to protect you, don't buy it, they are meant to protect the feelings of those who speak the words. So, if somebody avoids using the word blind, they are not afraid that if you are called blind you will whip out an axe and start randomly making stew meat out of them, they just don't like the idea themselves so have to find some evasive term so their soul doesn't get hurt or whatever they fear might happen were they to even contemplate the word.
The only really funny things people say to me are comments about struggling or having a hard life. I know some guy said something to that effect the other day and I atempted to communicate to him that I had nothing to compare my life with so I did not think I had it any worse than anyone else, and I also pointed out that everybody's got problems, it's the human condition. I run into that more than I run into people who want to call me hard of seeing.

Post 33 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 15:37:02

I've encountered such words, in person, as "differently abled," "sightless," and any number of other terms one could probably think of. to those who've only seen it written, wow to that fact.

Post 34 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 16:00:48

I agree. Political correctness is bullshit and I refuse to indulge in it. If that means some people get offended by the fact that I pronounce Harrassment as Harrassment and not like the name Harris that's their problem. AndI say merry Christmas instead of happy holidays because again, if people don't like it or just don't celebrate Christmas all they have to do is say thanks anyway or just ignore me. And that's one of my girlfriend's biggest pluses, the fact that she doesn't do crap like that and feels more or less the same way I do. And I agree. I'm blind, so I say it like it is because while I do have a little light perception I don't consider that to be truly usable sight so I refuse to say visually impaired. Needless to say had my folks and teachers been the sort who tried to force me to reword everything I said I would have spent a lot of time in trouble.

Post 35 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 16:27:03

Don't you see a problem with the I'll say what I say, bite me atitude?

Post 36 by TechnologyUser2012 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 16:33:46

wow. Differently abled? never ever heard of that term until I read this board.

Post 37 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 16:57:14

And let's call it shellshock, not, ahem, "post traumatic stress disorder!"

Post 38 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 17:01:12

Nope, sure don't. For most of my life, I let people speak for me. I let other people make my decisions for me. I didn't get far, and I was never happy or satisfied. I've stood up for myself and what I believe, and I've gotten way farther and accomplished more than I did the previous 18 or 19 years. People won't like what I say. People won't always agree with me, but that's ok. I'm still going in a better direction. Sure, I'm sure I'll make some mistakes and there will be things that people said that I should have taken more consideration towards, but that's how you better yourself.

Post 39 by write away (The Zone's Blunt Object) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 17:42:54

Perhaps people shouldn't try to offend someone on purpose, and it's nice to think that you should speak with some degree of premeditation, but have you stopped to think that it might be just as offensive to some people when someone overthinks what they're going to say?
I have no problem with the word "blind". I'm blind. that's that. but when someone calls me differently abled, I want to punch their teeth out and set them streight. Of course, I dont' do it. but my point is that I feel like I'm being patronized. So either way, whether your being politically correct or rude, you risk offending someone. I don't necessarily get offended, just annoyed that so many people would go to such lengths just to avoid any inkling of confrontation, just to avoid hurting someone's feelings. People are such wusses these days. Everything hurts everyone's feelings. How about coming to terms with who you are instead of living in a world in which your so perfect and your feelings are so fragile?
On the other side of the fence, how about being streight with the people you would rather not offend? When people refer to me in a streight, no nonsense manner, I feel like we're on an equal playing field. When they're being overly nice, I get the feeling that they're just overstepping what they consider a major landmine, which means that they themselves feel uncomfortable with who I am.
Think about it. If you consider being black, or gay or blind as some sort of a stigma, you'll go out of your way to avoid such terms because you think they'll find it to be just as much of a stigma. If you're black, your black. Your not an african american because you didn't come from africa. what if you're black and you are from france. are you still a friggin african american? Nope.
So, if you're blind as a bat, you're blind, that's that. I'm not going to call you differently abled because... what are your different abilities. At least, what are your different abilities regarding vision--besides the fact that you dont' have any.
I just wish that people would stop being overly rude as well as overly sensative and just call it what it is.



If I was fat, I slept around, and I was deaf and blind . I can't say i'd bee too offended if someone called me a fat, deaf-blind hoe. lol

Post 40 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 17:51:16

no, margorp, I don't see anything wrong with the "bite me attitude," as you call it. as to why, Ryan articulated my feelings perfectly.
and, so many people wonder why they aren't getting far in life...this is a great example of the reason why.
they have the mentality of, "you should really consider other's feelings when you say things," or something to that affect, and therefore don't end up saying how they truly feel, or what they truly think, and are content to allow the world to dictate how they should or shouldn't act.
much to some people's chagrin, I'm not one of those people who embraces that line of thought. either you accept me as I am, wholeheartedly, or you don't; makes no difference to me, either way.

Post 41 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2012 18:08:42

Very well said, Write Away. I completely agree with you, especially when you say that people refuse to use terms like blind because they themselves are uncomfortable with them, not necessarily because they think you'll punch them in the face or something. It really gets under my skin when someone stumbles all over themselves trying to think of the appropriate term to call me, when I wouldn't even give it a thought if I was called blind. I am blind, and that's that. You raise a good point about the whole black versus African-American thing too. I have a friend who absolutely hates that term for the reasons you described, but whenever he expresses that thought to other black people, they usually attack him for it. I'm glad the two of us aren't the only ones who understand common sense on that matter.
As for the "bite me" attitude, I usually consider myself to be someone who takes people's feelings into account, and, like many on here, I don't go out of my way to offend people. I wouldn't use terms like blind just for shock value, although I'm sure some extremists would disagree. I honestly don't see this mentality as a problem with attitude, it's called realism. The only way to make people more comfortable with blindness is to be casual about it, and the first step we can take in that regard is by using appropriate terms, not ridiculous ones that are supposed to be somehow less offensive just for the sake of sparing the one person in a million's feelings who wants to throw a fit and sue everyone for no reason.

Post 42 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 7:38:30

One thing that struck me as odd is this. some ways of saying things are just accepted as the norm, while others are not. Hard of hearing? Hard of seeing? I've heard of hard of hearing all my life. Hmmm, As I get older, I wonder if I'll be hard of walking. I have a bad back, so I'm hard of lifting. LOL. But my point is, all we have to do is switch the disability, and the phrase becomes weird, right?

Post 43 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 11:22:07

The bottom line is that a lot of people don't understand what freedom of speech really is. What 'Freedom of Speech' means is that the U.S. government cannot interfere with your right to speak or assemble. But it does not mean that what you say is automatically valid, or that you can do this in any private sector situation anywhere. It does not mean that others cannot respond to what you said.
Both political correct and anti-political-correct are just a crutch: an excuse for a sodden thin-skinned mama's boy who really needs to grow a pair, or whatever the female equivalent of that one is. Ideological zealots, be they religious or otherwise, are usually the worst offenders. It's the same idea that refuting an idea is persecution (from the religious types), or challenging a norm or socially-held taboo is misogyny (feminists).
This is why even the media personalities who complain about freedom of speech are wrong: if a company doesn't want to hire you anymore, that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. That particular freedom is a freedom from control by the government. It also doesn't mean that everyone, or in particular everyone of a particular majority ideology, can just speak anythingg they want without being challenged. Sum it up: The government cannot legally prohibit my right to speak, even if it is against the government. However the government cannot prevent the Zone, or a tv station, or anything else, from exercising its own right to publish what it wants, even if that excludes my particular view. And the government cannot deny your right to counter what I have to say on a particular issue. Even further, a right is not a guarantee: the government does not guarantee me a platform to speak my mind. That would be impossible, and immoral in that you would have to deny the rights of others in order to force a guarantee of everyone getting a platform. The only way I'm gonna get any sort of respect is by earning it. Not by acting like man-boy-living-in-a-basement, and crying and complaining about some nonfalsifiable claim like 'political correct', 'those older people,' or 'these days'.
I hear what you're saying, though, Margorp. It is frutstrating when you see usually people my age and up complaining about having their views challenged. Next time, just tell them they're getting a little too big to run around expecting everyone is going to agree with them, say things exactly like their ideology (religious and otherwise) demands it, etc. Hey, I even think the teenagers under my influence are getting a bit big for that stuff. How one behaves this way and looks in the mirror as a grown man, I don't know. I don't know how it works for women: they often operate under a whole different set of values in that department anyway. But yeah I take your point. And an anonymous board is a great place to let it off. Your point wasn't invalid, because you are not getting resentful at being challenged.
A challenge to one's view prevents the echo chamber effect.

Post 44 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 11:31:41

So would constipation be hard of shitting?

Post 45 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 11:37:25

I don't see any problem with this so-called bite me attitude, except that it implies we're all vampires LOL. But a lot of sigted or non disabled people don't consider the fact that they're probably a lot more likely to offend us by rewording themselves all the time than the would be by just coming out and saying it. And I agree about the hard of business. It always made me laugh. Hard of hearing does have, for lack of a better term, a kind of logical ring to it, But hard of seeing, hard of speaking? Hard of walking? LOL. I've always tought that some people were also afraid to come right out and say words like blind or deaf because they were afraid that to do so would cause them to suddenly be afflicted with those handicaps, as they view them. You sometimes get the same reaction to coming out and saying blind that you sometimes get for having a sense of humor. It's either blank incomprehension as tough ou'd just spoken in an alien language or shocked incredulity or down right hostility as thhough you'd just unzipped and taken a public piss.

Post 46 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 13:09:00

So what I get is that Chelsae and some others don't care if they are beeing rude. You are all so afraid of beeing walked on so you walk all over people. Does that make sense to anyone?

Post 47 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 13:54:23

no one here, including myself, is saying we're assholes. far from it, in fact. we're simply saying that it's best to not get caught up in thinking about how one says things, and stressing the importance of having a backbone.
also, write away, very well said. I'm glad to know someone else thinks similarly about calling things exactly as one sees them.

Post 48 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 14:59:12

If that's how you interpret saying how things are, then so be it. I don't intend to come across as rude, and I'm not trying to walk and step on people. In fact, it's more so the opposite. However, some are not willing to accept a little tough love, and I can't force you to accept it. Don't expect any sugar coating though.
Anthony, that's a good point. I've always thought of the times of when I've been called things like visually handicapped, yet I have heard of people referring to people who are deaf as hard of hearing, and I didn't pay much mind to it.

Post 49 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 15:29:39

I can accept it. However you must admit that there are circumstances in which we must all keep a civil tongue in our heads.

Post 50 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 17:12:33

I don't agree about there being circumstances where one should watch their tongue. certainly, there are certain public places I may say things a little differently, but that isn't watching my tongue. it's just adapting to where I am, while still managing to convey whatever I was trying to in the first place. maybe you interpret that differently, and that's fine. that's how I feel, though.

Post 51 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 17:20:44

I'm getting the sense that you think this is one of those places where we must watch what we say. You seem annoyed with what is being said here, and I'd go as far as saying that it's because we aren't agreeing with your beliefs is the reason you're getting bent out of shape. Why? We haven't called you any names. We haven't treated you any differently than anyone else. What's wrong with being honest, and standing up for what we believe in just as you do. The fact that we don't have the same values is not a good enough reason, which is what's being conveyed here.

Post 52 by SilverLightning (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 18:59:41

I'm going to straddle the fence here. I think you should always speak your mind. I think far too many people have taboo subjects that they refuse to debate or discuss, and so their opinions and thoughts on the subject never progress. Being offended is not a bad thing, it means you have opinions which are being challenged. However, doing nothing about it is when it becomes a bad thing. If you're not willing to step up and defend yourself or defend your opinions, you have no business having opinions in the first place.
That being said, however, I think the words we use are extremely important, for the sake of accuracy. For example, this season we all know about the argument over whether you should say merry christmas or happy holidays. I say, unless you know the person you are talking to, and are only wishing them happiness and joy on one day, you should say happy holidays. That phrase covers all the holidays and wishes the person a happy day.So if they celebrate any of the numerous holidays this month, your phrase covers it. Saying merrry christmas only covers one day, it doesn't even cover new years. You have to say merry christmas and a happy new years to cover that one. Just say happy holidays.
People should not be afraid to offend people, it isn't possible to determine whether what you say will offend anyone. What you should do is make sure your words convey the exact message you are trying to get across, no more, no less.

Post 53 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 20:52:45

Fair point, cody. and that goes back to kevin's original complaint that the people he mentioned that were against the politically correct trend couldn't defend their points. I definitely understand this annoyance. what I don't understand is this notion that we have to be careful about what we say for fear of crushing someone's fragile ego. the way you speak represents who you are. I am not the type to tiptoe around the truth. either I'll just come right out with it, or I won't talk about it at all. Nothing in between. so why would I use terms like "differently abled"? On the other hand, the word "disabled", to me, emphasizes what I do *not* have, so I choose not to use it, because it doesn't represent how I feel about the situation. If this offends you, then it's a good thing we're on the zone, and are not required to interact. that's where my so-called "bite me" aditude ends. I'm not going to go to a funeral and talk about the person who just kicked the bucket. I'm not going to attend someone's college graduation and talk about how they fail at life because they couldn't get all A's and B's. If that's what you mean by the "bite me" aditude, then I'm happy to announce I don't partake.

Post 54 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 20:53:23

Ah, differently abled. It's been years since that first came up, and still I chuckle. Just take it as proof whoever came up with that didn't ask the people they were targeting how they felt about it. Give them this, they definitely made everyone laugh.
PC though, who cares? Could you really say you need the support of a movement just to voice a simple opinion? I don't. And for those easy/quick to offend, I put it to you, are you saying you can't decipher someone's word choice from intent? Nine times out of ten, the people I met that told me things I thought sounded really goofy didn't mean a thing in the world by it. Just call it, I don't know, sloppy thinking.

Post 55 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 21:00:42

No no. You can't call it sloppy thinking. that would imply there's something wrong with their thinking, and we can't have that. Nobody has anything wrong with them these days. They're just differences. Jees. get it right, before you offend someone's...enhanced sensitivity. Lol.

Post 56 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Monday, 10-Dec-2012 21:29:40

Or should I say their gray matter is challenged? Heh. Not sure really.

Post 57 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 1:10:08

Another good point I hadn't thought of before. I've always said merry Christmas. My family celebrated it, and I hadn't come across many people who didn't celebrate it, but that's a fair point.

Post 58 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 7:34:33

that reminds me of a mass Email that made it's way to most of my family and family friends a couple years ago around this time. It basically asked whether we chose to say Merry christmas, or happy Holidays. A couple people, myself included, didn't really care. But quite a few people insisted that they would only say Merry christmas and happy new year, because they weren't afraid of what others thought of their christianity. I know most christians relate merry christmas to their religion, but this idea that you must say Merry Christmas if you're not ashamed to show that you believe in God still surprises me. the adjective "merry" isn't specifically a Christian term. and I don't need to tell most of you that Christmas isn't even a christian holiday to begin with, originally. So, while I understand why Happy Holidays would, in fact, be a more appropriate phrase, the fact that some people see this only for religious reasons really proves that we put too much emphasis on words, and not enough on their meanings.

Post 59 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 9:53:47

I don't wish to censor anyone. I just can't stand it when people don't give a shit about how they come across and then say "fuck you, I'll say what I want." It's just rude and disrespectful.

Post 60 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 10:28:01

there's nothing disrespectful about being unafraid to say exactly what you feel, but if you think differently, margorp, go ahead. however, don't complain that you're being walked over, or can't stand hearing people talk about certain things, when you'd rather do nothing about it, and try to shut those of us who are outspoken, up.
as Cody said, if one's opinions aren't challenged, and we all buckle down to society's view that we need to be careful, lest we offend someone, it'd sure be a miserable world.
he also made a very good point regarding saying "happy holidays." that particular phrase encompasses both christmas and new years, which I quite like.

Post 61 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 11:27:20

Or you could say Merry Chrismas in the days leading up to Christmas. Then afterward you can switch to Happy New Year, although personally I've always thought New Year's was overated. But I'm not going to make all kinds of substitutions for blind just because someone might be offended.

Post 62 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 11:47:57

I say happy winter solstice.

Post 63 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 13:55:42

You can say what you feel without beeing an ass. Hell, I'm doing it right now. You can show consideration without beeing oversensative as well. There's no middle ground with people sometimes...jeeze.

Post 64 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 17:19:20

I'd find it rather irritating if people were always sweet, with a "let's all get along. Everything's ok," sort of attitude. Again, it's all in how you interpret it though.

Post 65 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 17:29:54

Heh. This comes up every Christmas/whatever we're calling it these days, but I'm reminded of a quote from James Rolfe A.K.A. AVGN. "Merry Christmas. And if you have a problem with Merry Christmas, then happy holidays. And if you have a problem with happy holidays, then happy shutthefuckup."

Post 66 by TechnologyUser2012 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 18:23:58

hahahahahahahahaha lol!

Post 67 by OceanDream (An Ocean of Thoughts) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 19:13:48

Since someone will always find a way to be offended no matter how carefully you choose your words, I say just speak in a way that best represents you, and be done with it.

Post 68 by Imprecator (The Zone's Spelling Nazi) on Tuesday, 11-Dec-2012 19:26:19

Happy Ramendan, and a speghetti noodle year.

Post 69 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Wednesday, 12-Dec-2012 10:06:03

Oh yes walking around all sweet all the time would most likely get under my skin as well.

Post 70 by forereel (Just posting.) on Wednesday, 12-Dec-2012 10:09:37

Post 59 I am just totally offended !
How can you curse like that. Don't you know there's people that don't except this type of language?

Post 71 by margorp (I've got the gold prolific poster award, now is there a gold cup for me?) on Wednesday, 12-Dec-2012 15:15:57

Oh fuck that. lol! My problem is not with so called political correctness or lack there of, it is with those who get all bent out of shape about it and feel that only they matter.

Post 72 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Wednesday, 12-Dec-2012 15:37:53

The thing is, there's going to be people you don't agree with. You have every rite to stand up for what you believe. But, there's people who will not agree with what you are saying, and they'll do the same. That's how it is in any sort of controversial situation. More people need to learn, that you can't just blabber and ramble on about how pathetic or fucked up something may seem. Now, evidence and proof will make a much bigger statement. Keep that thought in mind. Think about it.